How to calculate the cost of a measured survey?

In this video I explain how to calculate the cost of a measured survey and the consideration taken to produce a quote using a 3D scanner or Total station.

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Transcript of the video

[00:00:00] Bhavesh Ramburn: Today I’m gonna show you how to work out the cost of a measured survey. For this example, we will start with a specification of, say, floor plans. There’s two of them, and area is say, a hundred square and we need one section. and say three elevation.

[00:00:33] And we also need one topo graphical survey and of roughly say, 1,200 square. So it’s a fairly large project with two floor plans, one section three elevations, and a topographical survey. Now the first thing we want to do is start pricing [00:01:00] the amount of time it would take to do the surveys. So normally, A surveyor could do roughly

[00:01:13] 600 square meters a day per survey project. So what we’ll do is, because there’s two floor plans that works out two, 200 square, but you have to also consider. You gotta pick up the externals of the property, which would be picked up in a topographical survey. Just as a reminder, this is a calculation base for a 3D scan of the property, so the quality is quite high.

[00:01:45] So. for this example, we’ll go from high to low based on my experience pricing, the measured surveys. So we would have a surveyor we’ll count as a day, [00:02:00] roughly a survey as cost in terms of employment. Cost is between. 24 to 35,000. So what I’m gonna do is do 30,000 divided by 220 to work out the daily cost of the individual, which is around hundred 36.

[00:02:22] For the purpose of this exercise, we will wrap around it after two or around 150. This includes additional costs that the business incurs such as. Personal protective equipment and other fees associated with surveyor.

[00:02:44] So, because it’s gonna take him roughly a day, because we work out roughly around 600 to 500 square a day. So that’s gonna be this times this. Now the other thing that he needs [00:03:00] is his equipment. So the 3D scanner costs on hire by, say, Sunbelt is around 350 pounds a day to 400 pounds, depending if you are running through a company or not.

[00:03:17] And your credit score. The current going rate for faro scanner is around 350 or around those mark in terms of material he wouldn’t need as such material, but a travel expense. In terms of other costs. So to travel to sites, say it’s within, you know, 20 to 40 miles. We’ll give him an allowance of let’s say 20 pounds a day.

[00:03:46] To roughly allocate his fuel to also cover for parking expenses. So let’s, let’s give it travel expense. I’ll say one [00:04:00] sum of, let’s be a bit more generous around 30 pounds a day, which is within a reasonable amount.

[00:04:13] So the next thing that we want to do is also work out how long it’s gonna take the process. So undertaking in a survey of using a 3D scanner would require a registration engineer of roughly. Looking at the size of it, so 400, the 200 square plus the topographical survey, it would take him around three to four hours.

[00:04:49] So we’ll just say four hours to complete. And one thing I’ve forgot to calculate is the topographical survey [00:05:00] because we’re taking 200 plus 2003 by 600. It would roughly be two engineers in that sense because. Ideally you can do around 700 to 800, so let’s call it 800 for now. So we’ll take in one day, two and a bit days to work out.

[00:05:32] So what I’m gonna do is put in for two surveyors with the equipment to do the job for that particular activity and. The other thing is going back to registration engineer. So registration engineer is around say 25 to 30,000. So we’ll put in 28,000 divided by two 20. [00:06:00] So we’ll call it one 30 for this example and.

[00:06:06] I forgot to divide this by nine eight hours. So this is the hours that we’ll be charged against and cad technician time or CAD time. So we can use this five by eight. So it, it’s roughly this figure per hour. For t he cad time to undertake the works. So the other thing we’ll probably have is s a profit I’ve put in 20%, which is fairly reasonable for a small to medium size surveying firm.

[00:06:44] The CAD time it will depend on the number of plans . So let’s clear this up. Hours for drawing. So normally a floor plan would take three to four hours, depending on the complexity and the [00:07:00] amount of rooms in that floor plan. So if it, let’s just say it is just standard two to three room, it would take the surveyor three to four hours.

[00:07:11] So we’ll just put four hours as a max. Again, elevation sections, but photo photographical survey might take a a bit more time depending on the features. So I’m gonna do take this times. The remainder. Then we’ll just sum this up. So I’ve got 29 hours to complete the drawing. So that’s the cost so far now with quality assurance.

[00:07:43] So would normally allow for an hour to two hours on this. So we’ll put this in there. So, And that will be the estimated cost of this. The computer and other consumables such as [00:08:00] electricity will be covered in your overheads . So hence that’s why we feel this will be fairly generous at the 20% mark to cover the operating cost of the business. So looking at this, you can range your cost to one point 5K, and with the inclusion of v a t will be 1,900. Now, this is of a high quality, and you’ll get a lot of the details, but let’s say we redo. Quotation with a lot less detail and different methodologies, so without a 3D scanner.

[00:08:41] So let’s start this at a medium to not low, but I would say adequate enough. So let’s.

[00:08:58] Of, so a [00:09:00] total station hire per week. So one a week. So let’s keep it as a day is around 400 a week. So divided by five, you get daily cost of 80 pounds. Now with this, the output changes drastically because now you’re spending a bit more time on site to do the work. So in terms of topographical survey output for my high level estimates, you could do this within so I think they can do around 600, 700 square day.

[00:09:46] So I’ll keep it at 600. Square. But the floor plans now because they are doing it with a mix of total station and a dis meter. Now the purchase [00:10:00] of this equipment is a lot less, so we’ll keep it as 400 divided by two 20, which is the day it is roughly what you’ll get if you purchase it. But if you hire it out, it’d be around 12 to 20 pounds a week.

[00:10:20] So let’s do five. So this is roughly what’s gonna cost you per week. And this is per this diameter. Now because the output you won’t need a registration engineer. The cost of labor would shorten. You do need the quality assurance and you do need some cad time for the surveys Now, for output for the plan.

[00:10:45] It takes a lot. It’s a lot different. So usually it would take I believe it was. 202, so 90 [00:11:00] times three. So roughly 270 square a day depending on a, you know, average property. So that’s two 70. . And now the problem with the sections, it does take a lot more time. So again depending on the number of sections that you are doing, you will probably spend over four or five hours on there per.

[00:11:32] Section elevation would take at least three to four hours. Now, because they’re not based on square meters, you need to calculate it slightly differently. So I would allow a generous three hours for the elevation. Generous, four hours for the. Section because of the complexity and just calculation of them, you can it [00:12:00] does get reduced if it’s an easy one.

[00:12:02] So, You can pick it up just based on the floor plan. Ideally, it’s best to identify it and annotate your section on the day of the survey. So this is kind of a risk factor within this, because I would leave someone to focus solely to do section or. and floor plan. So we did say around two 70. So I would say a full eight to nine hour day.

[00:12:34] Because we’re doing 200 and the topo, we would say two full day. So that would be eight. Then that would be.

[00:12:50] That much, and that’s based on one person. So this is a total amount of hours to do the job. So it is [00:13:00] fairly high number, but the way it works out is that would be roughly the same there dated of station.

[00:13:15] So let’s just call it four days. And as you can see, the calculation roughly comes out the same. However, you’ll be spending a lot more time on site to do the survey. , and that’s something that needs to just be considered when undertaking the survey. Now already they’re doing the survey on site with the cad element of the work because they’re doing the survey and sketches on site, it’ll be a lot less.

[00:13:46] So we did work out roughly a 30 I think 20 to 30% reduction in terms of the hours spent on the drawings, but there is still a substantial amount so, [00:14:00] our, you know, very conservative just put reduction of 15 on there. And, you know, the cost differences from the 1.5 to 1.4 isn’t a massive change, but the quality is Is, I would say a lot more reasonable than usual and you’ll still get a good fundamental survey outfit for your planning permission.

[00:14:30] Now that you’ve understood the calculation, you can play around with this spreadsheet that I will share in the post so you can understand how I’ve worked it out. And you can put some figures. these two play around with, and it was, it’s quite good and gives you a very good indication of how much things cost and you can work it out yourself to budget [00:15:00] your project.

[00:15:01] So I hope this helps you, gives you a good understanding of costing a project now. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to leave a comment on this video.

Do you need planning permission for a dormer loft conversion?

If you’re considering a loft conversion and want to know if you need planning permission, the answer is maybe. It depends on a few factors, such as the size and location of your property, as well as the type of conversion you’re planning. To get a better understanding of whether or not you need planning permission for a dormer loft conversion, read on. We’ll cover all the key points so you can make an informed decision about your project.

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What is a dormer loft conversion?

A dormer loft conversion is a type of extension that projects vertically from the slope of a roof. It’s a popular choice for those wanting to create additional space in their home as it can add both floor space and headroom.

Dormer loft conversions are normally only suitable for properties with enough existing roof space. To be able to add a dormer, there must be enough height and width available on the sloping part of the roof. The size and position of dormers will be determined by the amount of space available and where the best light can be achieved.

As well as being an effective way to create additional living space, dormer loft conversions can also add value to your property. They are usually more expensive than other types of loft conversions but this cost is often offset by the extra value they add to your home.

Why you might need planning permission

You might need planning permission for your dormer loft conversion if the following applies:

-The dormer will protrude from the existing roof more than 15cm.

-The height of the dormer will be taller than 2m.

-The dormer will take up more than 40% of the existing roof space.

-You live in a conservation area or listed building.

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How to apply for planning permission

If you are considering a dormer loft conversion, you will need to apply for planning permission from your local authority. The process can be complex, so it is important to seek professional advice before proceeding. You can take a look at a list of projects that needs planning permission.


There are a number of things to consider when applying for planning permission, including the size and location of your proposed dormer, the impact on the surrounding properties and the visual appearance of the finished conversion. You will also need to submit detailed plans and drawings of your proposal.

The planning permission process can be time-consuming, so it is important to start early. Once you have submitted your application, the decision-making process can take up to eight weeks. If your application is successful, you will be granted a planning permit that will allow you to proceed with your conversion.

What are the benefits of a dormer loft conversion?

There are many benefits to a dormer loft conversion, including:

1. Increased living space – a dormer loft conversion will add valuable extra living space to your home, which can be used for any purpose you desire, from an extra bedroom or playroom for the kids to a home office or gym.

2. Improved property value – as well as providing you with extra living space, a dormer loft conversion can also add significant value to your property, making it a great investment for the future.

3. Enhanced natural light and ventilation – compared to a standard loft conversion, a dormer loft conversion will let in more natural light and provide better ventilation, making it a much more pleasant place to spend time in.

4. Greater headroom – due to the sloped nature of most roofs, standard loft conversions can often be quite cramped and have limited headroom. A dormer loft conversion will create more headroom thanks to the addition of vertical walls, making it feel much more spacious.

5. Better energy efficiency – because they let in more natural light and air, dormer loft conversions can also help improve the energy efficiency of your home, saving you money on heating and lighting bills in the long run.

How to choose the right company for your project

When planning a dormer loft conversion, one of the most important decisions you will make is choosing the right company to carry out the work. There are a number of things to consider when making this decision, including:

– The experience and expertise of the company. Make sure they have carried out similar projects before and that they have the necessary skills and knowledge to complete your project to a high standard.

– The cost of the project. Get several quotes from different companies before making a decision. Make sure you are clear on what is included in the price and that there are no hidden costs.

– The timescale for the project. Find out how long the company will need to complete the work and whether this fits in with your own timeframe.

– The terms and conditions of the contract. Make sure you understand everything in the contract before signing it, including any warranties or guarantees that are offered.

Conclusion

If you are considering a dormer loft conversion, it is important to check with your local planning department to see if you need permission. In most cases, you will not need permission for a small dormer loft conversion, but if your plans are for a larger project, it is best to get approval before starting any work. With the right planning and permissions in place, your dormer loft conversion can be a great way to add extra space and value to your home.

How Not to Throw Away £1000s on your next Measured Building Survey

Sometimes measured building surveys can go terribly wrong. So bad that you can be faced with insolvency or unable to pay the contractor or architect to fix the problem caused by the surveyor.

Here are some of the things that can go wrong:

  1. Wrong dimensions
  2. Correct levels
  3. Missing features
  4. Revisits

Of course there are many more but we’ve only highlighted the most critical items that can cost you money.

The Biggest Risk

The biggest risk from poorly produced measured survey is wrong dimensions, and angles of your property. Even though it looks like a tiny problem but it can mean that later on you might face additional costs from your contractors to make things right. This can mean delaying the project to get additional materials, or resources to get it right.

Most contractors charge for delays and additions, this can range from £200-1000 a day. This will be charged while the issue is getting resolved by your architect and surveyors. It could cost you even more if you have bespoke materials that needs to be factory manufactured.

Or sometimes it will affect you earlier in your project; resulting in resubmission of your planning application to the council for approval. You might even need to wait another 6-8 weeks to get the go ahead.

How can you solve this?

Getting the right surveyor is key to avoid these losses, and it’s not hard to find them. We’ve highlighted the three critical items to look out for:

Fully Insured

First of all, the surveying company needs to be insured. Without the correct insurance, you might not be able to recover the losses from the surveyor. There are a lot of rogue surveyors, or one man band undertaking surveys without adequate insurance. Check with them before you proceed. You want to protect your investment.

At Icelabz we are fully covered, and we have been trusted by over 300+ clients and architects.

Get Sample Drawings

Make sure that your architect or consultant is happy with the surveyor’s sample works. If you are not too technical about the plans, here is a trick: just check if the corners of the rooms have correct angles. As most walls and corners are not perfect in a building, you should expect the surveyor to pick up the discrepancies of odd shaped walls and corners. If the angles of the rooms are squared or the walls too straight, then the surveyor didn’t spend enough time surveying to produce high quality plans.

You would expect a surveyor to survey the room with their angles correctly.

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Correct methods of survey

It is the biggest oversight in surveying, and many clients do not know what to look out for when selecting a surveyor. Depending on the method that the survey uses, the accuracy and risks varies.

The more manual the survey method is the higher the human risk in producing the plans. For example, if a survey is heavily reliant on sketches and notes there is a higher chance of human errors.

Here is a table of some surveying methods based on equipment used:

Method Human Error Accuracy Cost Time to Survey
3D Scanning Low 5-15mm Expensive V. Fast
Total Station Medium 5-10mm Normal Normal
Disto Meter High 10-25mm Low Cost Normal

Our Method

At Icelabz, we have devised a unique method of surveying to provide you with a low risk survey while keeping the cost low. We provide you with high accuracy 3D scans at the same price of conducting a survey using the Total Station led method. Not many companies can do this because of the high cost of the equipment, software and licenses.

We could have only achieved this with our bespoke software and procedures that cannot be replicated anywhere else.

Our Unique Model

Our unique model allows us to:

  • Survey different properties every day without affecting the delivery time of your drawings
  • Have different surveyors working on your project without losing quality or relying on one surveyor’s presence.
  • To take on many projects from small to large without sacrificing on delivery.
  • Avoid revisits on site so that you do not face additional fees
  • Quickly add additional features and respond to queries faster than our competitors.
  • Produce evergreen surveys allowing you to request additional sections, and elevations of areas we have surveyed months after the survey.

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What is a provisional sum?

A provisional sum is a sum of money allocated for a particular activity that is not fully defined, but it needs to be considered for a construction project.

In the context of measured building survey and topographical survey an architect may request for a provisional sum quotation to propose to their client.

What this means is that the client or architect is not entirely aware of the extent of the construction proposal and would need a ball park figure to add in their budget. This happens because of a few reasons:

  • The client is not decided on the extension option of their property (i.e. roof extension or ground floor extension)
  • The planning application may be complicated and the outcome of the planning process may determine the option to go for
  • The client is just looking for a budget price to get a loan

The provisional sum on its own is not part of the scope for deliverable until the client instruct it to be included. When the client instructs the architect or surveyor they will then confirm the scope and price (if there are any changes) and it will proceed.

The client does not need to pay for the provisional sum in the contract as it is not defined as a deliverable.

Important:

Make sure the provisional sum is itemised in the quotation as it will make it easier to identify only the amount due to the contractor/surveyor/designer when they apply for their fees. It is quite common for poorly managed practices to ‘hide’ the provisional sum value within a lump sum but never deliver the item.

Remember:

The contractor/surveyor/designer will not need to deliver the provisional sum until it is instructed to proceed.

You can get a quote for a measured building or topographical survey from us by contacting us at info@icelabz.co.uk.

 

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